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# Which model? Sizes, versions and what fits
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This page helps you choose a model and check that your computer can run it. It covers DeepSeek V4.1-Flash,
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Qwen3.8-Flash-Next (and its variants) and Qwen3.6-35B-A3B. For installing, see [INSTALL.md](INSTALL.md).
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> **On this page:** [Quick start](#quick-start) · [Pick by memory](#pick-by-memory) ·
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> [DeepSeek V4.1-Flash](#deepseek-v41-flash) · [Qwen3.8-Flash-Next](#qwen38-flash-next) ·
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> [Qwen3.6-35B-A3B](#qwen36-35b-a3b) · [Adding or switching models](#adding-or-switching-models) ·
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> [History](#history--older-measurements)
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## Quick start
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1. Find your memory in [Pick by memory](#pick-by-memory) and choose the first provider that fits.
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2. Print the plan. Nothing is downloaded or changed:
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```sh
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strata launch --plan --family qwen --model iq2_xs
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```
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3. Start it with `strata launch` (guided), or run the same command without `--plan` and add `--yes --no-tui`.
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**Provider order:** ISTA-DASLab, then Unsloth, then Gyro, then others, using the first compatible pack that fits the
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model and your hardware. ISTA-DASLab is the default recommendation. Gyro saves memory and is slower. Swift 1.5, NVFP4
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and OrcaRouter are other options. An explicit choice by the user always wins. The order applies within a model family:
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Qwen3.6 has Unsloth packs only, and DeepSeek has the ISTA-DAS sets. The order is a recommendation. It says nothing about which
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provider wins a given quality or speed comparison.
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Setup may preselect something else: a Swift or Gyro size at a low memory tier, or Unsloth on Strix Halo. Read the plan
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and pass `--family` and `--model` when you want a particular provider.
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## Pick by memory
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Figures are the model's weights in RAM plus VRAM. Leave memory for the OS and other apps. Unified memory counts once.
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They are estimates; a given context may still not fit.
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**Qwen3.8-Flash-Next, ISTA-DASLab original packs**
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| Size | RAM + VRAM for the model | Speed | Quality |
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| --- | ---: | --- | --- |
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| Q2_0 | 37.6 GB | fastest | good |
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| IQ2_XS | 39.2 GB | fast | better |
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| IQ3_XXS | 47.0 GB | slower | great |
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| IQ3_S | 54.8 GB | slowest | best; matches the full model on the published tests |
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- **Less memory, coding only:** [Coder](#coder) runs around 32 GB of RAM with a suitable GPU.
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- **Less memory, general use:** compare Unsloth, then [Gyro](#gyro-s-and-gyro-m-agentionai), which uses the least memory and is slower.
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- **More memory:** [Unsloth's 4 to 8 bit files](#unsloths-files-ud-iq4_xs-to-q8_0) need 72 to 136 GB for all experts in RAM.
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- **A smaller model:** [Qwen3.6-35B-A3B](#qwen36-35b-a3b), 32 to 52 GB of RAM.
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- **A very large model:** [DeepSeek V4.1-Flash](#deepseek-v41-flash), 12 GB graphics card, 46 to 64 GB of RAM and 257 GB of disk.
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If RAM is short, setup can read experts from the SSD instead ([below](#will-it-fit)). That works and is much slower.
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## DeepSeek V4.1-Flash
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DeepSeek V4.1-Flash-1017 runs in the **desktop app** (pick it in the model list) and in the **Terminal** (`strata launch`).
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It uses its own engine, a separate download that the app and `strata launch` fetch for you.
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| Set (ISTA-DAS) | Download | Quality against the original model |
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| --- | ---: | --- |
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| 1.75 bpw | 239 GB | perplexity +21%; code and agent text +8.9% and +10.2%; weaker on plain prose |
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| 2.00 bpw | 257 GB | perplexity +16%; code and agent text +8.5% and +5.9% |
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| 2.25 bpw | 274 GB | perplexity +7.7% to +8.3%; code and agent text +3.5% and +2.5% |
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| ISTA-DAS Coder | 191 GB | ISTA-DAS's coding version: 192 of the 384 experts in every layer kept (72 GB of model instead of 138 GB); numbers against the original model are in [DEEPSEEK41.md](DEEPSEEK41.md#the-ista-das-coder) |
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The download includes the shared n-gram (Engram) table and the DSpark drafter. Pick 2.25 for coding and agent work if
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you have the disk. Perplexity is measured on a fixed set of 4,995 test texts; lower is closer to the original.
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**Supported hardware**
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| Hardware | Systems |
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| NVIDIA RTX 30, 40 and 50 series, 12 GB or more | Windows, Linux |
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| AMD Radeon AI PRO R9700 | Linux |
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| AMD Ryzen AI Max (Strix Halo, gfx1151, 128 GB unified; 64 GB or more shared with Windows) | Windows |
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| Apple Silicon Mac, 64 GB or more, macOS 15 or newer (text only, [DEEPSEEK_MAC.md](DEEPSEEK_MAC.md)) | macOS |
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Tested on an RTX 3060 (Linux), an RTX 5070 (Windows), four R9700 cards (Linux) and a Ryzen AI Max+ 395 with 128 GB unified (Windows:
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14 to 16 tokens a second on code with the default Faster mode, 10 to 11 on chat, 78 tokens a second on a 4K prompt and 109 on
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8K). The RTX 30 kernels were also checked on an RTX A4000. Windows on RTX 30 and the RX 9070 are built but were not run. On a
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Mac it was run on an M5 Max with 128 GB ([DEEPSEEK_MAC.md](DEEPSEEK_MAC.md)). Strix Halo on Linux does not run it yet; on Strix Halo Windows the graphics memory is the RAM, so most of the experts are
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read from the SSD and an NVMe drive matters.
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RTX 40 cards are covered by the engine packages since 0.2.7 (sm_89 code); we have not run one ourselves, see [DEEPSEEK41.md](DEEPSEEK41.md#the-engine-package) for a user's measurement.
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**What you need:** a graphics card with 12 GB or more, 46 GB of RAM at least (64 GB is the tested comfortable size),
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an NVMe SSD, and the disk space above. Setup warns when disk or RAM is short and does not stop you.
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```sh
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strata launch --family deepseek41 --model ist-das-2.00bpw --plan
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strata launch --family deepseek41 --model ist-das-2.00bpw
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```
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`--model-path DIR` starts from files you already have. The context is 8192 tokens (8K), the size it was checked at.
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**Speed: Faster or Full quality.** The app asks, and the Terminal takes `--speed faster|full` (or `--full-quality`). Faster uses 5 of the
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model's 6 experts per word, a small quality change that is usually not noticeable. It is the default on a PC with 16 GB of graphics
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memory or less, on a Ryzen AI Max, and on a single Radeon RX 9000 / AI PRO R9700 card, and on several of them when together they hold half of the experts (three or more R9700 cards; two hold about 40% of the 2.25 set, so they keep 6). Full quality uses all 6. It needs DeepSeek engine 0.1.50 or newer, which the app and `strata launch` fetch.
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**Measured on:** ISTA-DAS 2.00 bpw, Strata 0.2.4 (before the Speed choice).
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| Hardware | Output | Prompt (8K) |
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| RTX 5070 12 GB, Ryzen 5 7600, 64 GB RAM | about 5 tokens/s (code) | 231 tokens/s |
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| RTX 3060 12 GB, 46 GB RAM | 6 to 9 tokens/s | about 103 tokens/s |
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| 4x Radeon AI PRO R9700 | about 31 tokens/s; 55 to 69 with DSpark | about 360 tokens/s (557 at 32K) |
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- The 2.25 bpw set reads 13% more data per token and is a little slower.
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- A slow SSD lowers every number, because 12 GB cards spend most of each token waiting on the SSD and the CPU.
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- DSpark (a small draft model) raised the RTX 3060 PC from 6.1-6.7 to 8.2-8.7 tokens/s and the R9700 box from about 31 to 55-69. It gave no gain on the RTX 5070 PC with a 6-core CPU, so `--dspark auto` leaves the drafter unloaded there.
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- Answers can differ between runs with the same prompt, because the experts on the card change from moment to moment.
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<a id="the-versions"></a><a id="the-sizes"></a>
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## Qwen3.8-Flash-Next
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Four ISTA-DASLab sizes are the original model; the versions below are variants or other providers' packs of it.
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Every version in setup's menu reads pictures. [Picture rules](#pictures).
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### Will it fit?
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Shard 1 is loaded at start: its experts go into **RAM**, the rest onto the graphics card. The second shard (a 29 GB
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lookup table) stays on the SSD. The model fits when **RAM is at least the experts plus about 10 GB** for the OS and
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other programs.
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| Size | Experts in shard 1 |
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| Q2_0 | 34 GB |
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| IQ2_XS | 35.5 GB |
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| IQ3_XXS | 43 GB |
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| IQ3_S | 50 GB |
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| Coder | 23 GB |
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With 64 GB of RAM every size fits (IQ3_S with little else open). With 48 GB, Q2_0 and IQ2_XS fit. A bigger graphics
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card makes it faster and does not lower the RAM needed, except in low-RAM mode.
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<a id="a-big-graphics-card-and-little-ram"></a>
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**Big graphics card, little RAM.** When RAM cannot hold the experts beside the system, setup maps them from the model
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files and keeps in RAM only what the card does not hold. A 32 GB PC with a 24 GB GPU runs Q2_0, IQ2_XS and the Coder
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this way, and a 32 GB PC with a 12 to 16 GB GPU runs the Coder. With a small card most experts come from the SSD and it
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is much slower; setup says so. A source checkout can force the mode with `--low-ram on|off`
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([SOURCE_INSTALL.md](SOURCE_INSTALL.md)). `strata launch` has no `--low-ram` flag.
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The download is 66 to 76 GB for the three smaller sizes ([details](DETAILS.md#which-model)). The first start also
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fetches the MTP draft layer (about 6 GB, 1 GB more with pictures).
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### Pictures
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Pictures are on by default wherever a model can read them. The reader runs on the CPU when the card has less than
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24 GB (a few seconds per picture, no VRAM used) and on the card from 24 GB (about 1 to 1.4 GB of VRAM, 0.1 to 0.5 s per
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picture). The rule is the same on NVIDIA and AMD.
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| Setting | Effect |
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| `--vision off` | no pictures (also "No" in the app and in `strata launch`) |
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| `--vision cpu` / `--vision gpu` | choose the reader |
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- **AMD:** `strata-vision-hip` is the card's reader. If it cannot start, Strata uses the CPU reader ([AMD_HIP.md](AMD_HIP.md)).
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- **Mac:** pictures run on the GPU ([MAC.md](MAC.md)).
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- **Intel Arc:** an Arc with 24 GB or more keeps the CPU reader unless you pass `--vision gpu`. A Battlemage card (B580, B70) has pictures off until you pass `--vision on` ([INTEL.md](INTEL.md)).
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More: [Images](DETAILS.md#images-vision).
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### Coder
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**[Coder](https://huggingface.co/ISTA-DASLab/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GSQ-RCO-Coder-GGUF)** is ISTA-DASLab's coding version.
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It keeps 256 of each layer's 512 experts, chosen on code (with agentic and image data), and drops the rest. Its authors
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report 91% of the full model's SWE-bench Verified score and 99% of LiveCodeBench. There is one size, IQ1_M (experts
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stored like IQ3_S); shard 1 is **29.6 GB**. A 32 GB RAM computer also needs enough GPU memory and room for buffers;
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read the launch plan.
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It is weaker outside code and in languages other than English, Chinese and other CJK text included. For general use,
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or whenever RAM allows, take a size that keeps every expert. More: [details](DETAILS.md#or-the-coder-half-the-experts-for-code).
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```sh
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strata launch --family coder --model IQ1_M
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```
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### Swift 1.5
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**[Swift 1.5](https://huggingface.co/ukisai/Swift-1.5-Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-GSQ-RCO-GGUF)** is a fine-tune by UkisAI that
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thinks much shorter before answering, with about the same quality. Speed per token and RAM match the same size of the
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original. Its own license applies. More: [details](DETAILS.md#or-swift-15-a-fine-tune-that-thinks-shorter).
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```sh
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strata launch --family swift --model IQ2_XS
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```
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<a id="unsloth-ud-iq4_xs"></a><a id="unsloth-ud-q4_k_xl-experimental"></a>
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### Unsloth's files: UD-IQ4_XS to Q8_0
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`--family unsloth` is Unsloth's 4 to 8 bit quantizations of the same model. They keep the experts at more bits than
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the sizes above, so they need more RAM. Setup keeps every expert in RAM when they fit with 16 GB to spare. With less RAM
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it keeps as many as fit and reads the rest from the SSD (much slower), and for the bigger files it asks first.
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| Size | Download | Experts | RAM for all experts | Same top token as Q8_0 |
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| **UD-IQ4_XS** (setup's first) | 94 GB | 55 GiB | ~72 GB | 88.9% |
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| **UD-Q4_K_XL** | 111 GB | 72 GiB | ~88 GB | 93.1% |
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| **UD-Q5_K_XL** | 158 GB | 92 GiB | ~108 GB | 94.6% |
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| **UD-Q6_K_XL** | 169 GB | 102 GiB | ~118 GB | 94.6% |
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| **Q8_0** | 188 GB | 120 GiB | ~136 GB | 100% (the reference) |
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For comparison, IQ3_S matches the top token of Q8_0 87.7% of the time. Quality numbers, the speed bound and
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NVIDIA, AMD and Intel details are in [QUANTS.md](QUANTS.md); the files are described in [UD-Q4_K_XL](UNSLOTH_Q4.md) and
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[UD-Q6_K_XL](UNSLOTH_Q6.md). Older AMD speeds are in [History](#history--older-measurements).
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```sh
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strata launch --family unsloth --model UD-Q5_K_XL
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```
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<a id="gyro"></a>
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### Gyro-S and Gyro-M (agentionai)
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`--family gyro` is agentionai's Gyro quantization: trellis-coded experts in a rotated basis. They are the smallest
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options and never setup's default. The download includes the 28 GB n-gram table. The memory figure is VRAM and RAM together.
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| Size | Download | Memory (VRAM + RAM) | In plain words |
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| **Gyro-S** | 58.5 GB | 27.6 GB | the smallest option, for PCs with little memory; lower quality |
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| **Gyro-M** | 92.0 GB | 35 GB | about IQ3_XXS quality with about 20% less GPU memory |
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Gyro runs on NVIDIA and AMD (experimental), on Intel Arc under Linux, and on Apple Silicon Macs. It reads pictures.
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On an RTX 3060 12 GB and an R9700, Gyro-M decodes 16 to 21% slower than Q2_0. Details, measurements and credit:
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[GYRO.md](GYRO.md). Intel Arc: [INTEL_ARC.md](INTEL_ARC.md). Mac: [MAC.md](MAC.md#gyro-s-and-gyro-m-agentionais-trellis-experts).
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```sh
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strata launch --family gyro --model Gyro-S
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```
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<a id="nvfp4"></a><a id="nvfp4-qad"></a>
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### NVFP4 (NVIDIA cards)
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`--family nvfp4` keeps the experts in NVIDIA's 4-bit NVFP4 format. There are three versions:
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| App name | `--model` | What it is | Download |
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| **NVFP4 (Strata's version)** | `NVFP4` | Strata's own conversion (GPTQ; the ready pack is sergqwer's strata-nvfp4). Best quality of the three | 128 GB |
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| **NVFP4 (NVIDIA's version)** | `NVFP4-NVIDIA` | NVIDIA's own checkpoint (plain rounding), converted for Strata. Same size and speed as the first | 128 GB |
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| **NVFP4 (NVIDIA, trained for FP4)** | `NVFP4-QAD` | NVIDIA's retrained model, slightly faster on short prompts | 102 GB (+110 GB of disk to prepare) |
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All three need about 80 GB of RAM to keep every expert in RAM, run on NVIDIA cards only and read pictures. RTX 50 cards
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have FP4 tensor cores; other NVIDIA cards run NVFP4 at 8-bit precision. Details and measurements: [NVFP4.md](NVFP4.md).
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**NVFP4-QAD** is NVIDIA's [Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-FP4-Local](https://huggingface.co/nvidia/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next-FP4-Local),
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retrained for 4-bit experts (quantization-aware distillation). Setup downloads NVIDIA's files as they are (102 GB) and
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turns them into a Strata pack on your PC once (20 to 40 minutes, about 110 GB more disk while it runs; the 102 GB can be
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deleted afterwards). Strata does not redistribute NVIDIA's weights. Pictures use the original model's reader file, which
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setup downloads with it. Licenses: NVIDIA Open Model Agreement and Qwen's Community License.
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More: [NVFP4.md](NVFP4.md#nvidias-fp4-local-checkpoint).
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```sh
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strata launch --family nvfp4 --model NVFP4
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```
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### OrcaRouter Uncensored IQ3_XXS
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For **OrcaRouter's Flash-Next Uncensored IQ3_XXS**, see the [manual compatibility setup](ORCA.md). It needs an explicit
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packing conversion and is not an installer menu option.
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## Qwen3.6-35B-A3B
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A smaller model from the same maker: [Qwen3.6-35B-A3B](https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B) (35 billion
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parameters, 3 billion active per token, 256 experts, Apache 2.0). Strata runs
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[Unsloth's GGUFs with the MTP draft layer](https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-MTP-GGUF) on its own engine
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path, chosen by the file. It is in the app's model list and in setup (`--family qwen36`). It runs on NVIDIA and AMD
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cards; the Intel Arc engine and the Mac engine do not run it. It reads pictures and serves several requests at once.
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| Size | File | RAM setup plans for | In plain words |
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| **UD-Q4_K_XL** | 22.9 GB | 32 GB | 4-bit (Unsloth Dynamic), the smallest |
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| **UD-Q6_K_XL** | 32.6 GB | 44 GB | 6-bit, closer to the full model |
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| **Q8_0** | 37.8 GB | 52 GB | 8-bit, the closest to the full model |
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The picture reader file adds 0.9 GB. The engine keeps every expert it can on the graphics card and computes the rest on
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the CPU.
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**Measured on:** UD-Q4_K_XL, decode only.
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| Hardware | Decode |
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| Radeon AI PRO R9700 (32 GB) | 117.8 tokens/s |
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| RTX 3060 (12 GB), most experts on the CPU | 59.7 tokens/s |
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Pictures, parallel requests, full measurements and limits: [QWEN36.md](QWEN36.md).
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```sh
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strata launch --family qwen36 --model UD-Q4_K_XL
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```
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## Adding or switching models
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- **In the app:** the Models page lists every model with its size and whether it fits your computer. Pick one and press the install button.
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- **In the Terminal:** `strata launch` has a Model step with the same list and "Use model files I already have".
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`strata models list` shows what is installed. `strata models import <folder or .gguf> --plan` shows what a set of
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files you already have would become, without changing anything.
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- **From a source checkout only:** `SETUP.bat` or `./setup.sh --setup` adds another model ([SOURCE_INSTALL.md](SOURCE_INSTALL.md)).
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Shared files are reused. In the Terminal, choose a model in `strata launch`, pass an explicit family and model, or use a
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saved `--preset`. Add `--restart` when replacing a running launch. Generated `run-<model>` scripts belong to a source
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checkout, not to the installed app.
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## Speed on your own PC
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`--tune quick` and `--tune thorough` measure settings for the selected model, and the app offers tuning too. Results
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depend on the backend and machine. All speed measurements, long-context numbers and estimates for other cards are in
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[DETAILS.md](DETAILS.md#speed-measured). AMD measurements per card are in [AMD_HIP.md](AMD_HIP.md#rdna4-gfx1201).
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Measured Strata on your own PC? See [Community benchmark results](COMMUNITY_BENCHMARKS.md).
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<a id="how-fast-is-each-size"></a>
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## History / older measurements
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These numbers compare the sizes with each other. Newer engines are faster on some cards, and the tables were not
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re-measured in full for the current release.
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**Measured on:** RTX 5070 (12 GB), Ryzen 5 7600, 64 GB RAM; ISTA-DASLab sizes; engine 0.1.26 (Q2_0 row: engine 0.1.36).
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| Size | Writes answers (short chat) | Writes answers (128K context) | Reads your prompt (32K) |
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| **Q2_0** | 94 tokens/s | 76 tokens/s | 2,650 tokens/s |
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| **IQ2_XS** | 79 tokens/s | 63 tokens/s | 2,090 tokens/s |
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| **IQ3_XXS** | 62 tokens/s | 49 tokens/s | 1,750 tokens/s |
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| **IQ3_S** | 53 tokens/s | 46 tokens/s | 1,620 tokens/s |
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| **Coder** (IQ1_M) | 55 tokens/s | 43 tokens/s | 2,180 tokens/s |
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**Measured on:** AMD RX 9070 XT (16 GB), Ryzen 9 3900X, 47 GB RAM, Linux; engine before 0.1.40, 2026-10-02. Q2_0 is
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above setup's RAM estimate for 47 GB and was installed with `--model Q2_0 --yes`.
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| Size | Writes answers (short chat) | Writes answers (128K context) | Reads your prompt (32K) |
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| **Q2_0** | 60 tokens/s | 48 tokens/s | 1,160 tokens/s |
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| **IQ2_XS** | 52 tokens/s | 36 tokens/s | 1,110 tokens/s |
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| **Coder** (IQ1_M) | 44 tokens/s | 33 tokens/s | 1,420 tokens/s |
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- A token is about three quarters of a word. A 4K prompt reads at 910 to 1,580 tokens/s on the RTX 5070; a 32K prompt takes about 15 seconds with Q2_0.
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- The older NVIDIA `--calibrate` run on the RTX 5070 PC raised Coder speed by 7%.
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**Measured on:** AMD Radeon AI PRO R9700 (32 GB), Unsloth files, engines before 0.1.45.3 (conditions in [QUANTS.md](QUANTS.md)).
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| Size | Story | Code | 32K prompt |
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| **UD-Q4_K_XL** | 63 tokens/s | 87 tokens/s | 1,110 to 1,320 tokens/s |
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| **UD-Q5_K_XL** | 57 to 60 | 82 | 810 to 1,260 |
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| **UD-Q6_K_XL** | 54 | 76 | 1,020 |
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| **Q8_0** | 53 to 57 | 66 to 74 | 1,230 to 1,300 |
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| *IQ3_S, same card* | 75 | 95 | - |
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